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Well I'll be damned if I don't give this book 5/5.I enjoyed the explanations regarding robots being logical and not reasonable. Hard robotic-sci-fi was RAD maaaaan! This combo of detective sci-fi has really grown on me!Aaaaaand I enjoyed very much reading a fortyish white guy faint more than once =)))) (the first time in Caves of Steel)”Gladia not minding loose clothing WTF white male writers of 50s!!??? I guess Daneel's body being described in Caves of Steel kinda balances this one out!!!!!AND OMG DID GLADIA THINK DANEEL AND BALEY ARE A COUPLE?! LMAOThe narrative of this book and a bit in Caves of Steel is very welcoming. As the reader, I got to accompany Baley and we faced surprises at the same time. Nice!I did want to facepalm over and over because I used to think the Solarians are dumb but then again, because of the narrative giving us info bit by bit, it turned out how shitty it is being born and raised on Solaria. For someone who has been born and brought up in a dictatorship, in isolation, in lacking any knowledge on human body, instincts and needs, far far away from other sex*es, and just recently figuring all this out with the help of outsider experts , I could understand Gladia very well and I'm glad for her proper closure.AND: DANEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! I missed him through the WHOLE plot!FINALLY: Being born and raised in the caves wasn't my favorite AT ALL when I read Caves of Steel. I appreciated the solitude on Solaria at first but after Baley visited the tanks and kids, I came to realize none of them are ideal. No matter how hard humans try to suffocate the instincts in the name of “advance” or “culture” or “custom”. All the LIE piles up and falls down all over us! We all need a moderate life where our instincts, our curiosities, our basic needs such as affection, sex, interaction and solitude are simply met, neither ignored nor overindulged. We must not let cultures, customs and traditions stand in our way. This book has become very dear to me. Asimov THE LEGEND.NEXT: Revisit [b:Mirror Image 26816219 Mirror Image Isaac Asimov https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1450235310l/26816219.SY75.jpg 46843702] in [b:The Complete Robot 50091 The Complete Robot (Robot, #0.3) Isaac Asimov https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1405467461l/50091.SY75.jpg 2361910]AND AFTER THAT: [b:The Robots of Dawn 41810 The Robots of Dawn (Robot, #3) Isaac Asimov https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1351030933l/41810.SY75.jpg 905286]P.S.: Almost forgot: This book is way better than [b:The City and the Stars 250024 The City and the Stars Arthur C. Clarke https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1340242824l/250024.SY75.jpg 925052](1956).
The text was fluent. I'm glad I could read a sci-fi novel in original language in several days without difficulty.It wasn't perfect but I liked that it wasn't pure detective story but a sci-fi detective story. The main character was flawed. Being wrong several times led to him and us getting more information about the plot and the world on a greater scale, which I found quite interesting.The idea of the caves and mentioning Ozone were unique at the time. Hope there are more info on that in The Naked Sun.“Spacetown” as a name baffled me and after some googling, it annoyed me too. I don't get why he picked such a name for that meaning.Classification doesn't seem to be the kind of problem that would be solved someday in the future but just a concept that all kinds of societies would use to run(!) their peopIe.Family relationships also had not changed. I don't have any opinion + idea on that topic though.Even regarding the technology of 50s, he considered this story to be toooooo far in the future. This tech wasn't as advanced as I thought it would be in 1000 years but in 100.P.S.: NEXT: [b:The Naked Sun 76685 The Naked Sun (Robot, #2) Isaac Asimov https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1439756125l/76685.SY75.jpg 1583154]
I've been yearning to read this amazing rollercoaster of robotic sci-fi since 15 years. ◝(ᵔᗜᵔ)◜Susan Calvin is my favorite character even though Asimov didn't need to write much about humans and their character developments. I loved all the stories, their complexity, the logic and how Asimov just kept on cooking. Rest in Peace, Master.NEXT: [b:The Caves of Steel 76677 The Caves of Steel (Robot, #1) Isaac Asimov https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1439756390l/76677.SY75.jpg 140376]نسخهی فارسی دارای اشکالات تایپی بود که با توجه به چاپ اول بودن قابلدرک است.
I can't describe with words how happy I am finally reading this book in original language. It's been on my bucket list since 15 years.Reading its translation at first (in The Complete Robot) was the right decision, I would say. It did help me to get to know Asimov's world of early robots, as I had presumed.I don't think I am exaggerating: Considering the years these stories are written and published, the plots are mind-blowing, so are Three Laws of Robotics and how firm and yet flexible they apply. I like how Asimov just kept on cooking. Sometimes the characters or other aspects of the futuristic worlds didn't make sense though! which is annoying.Powell and Donavan are not bad. I would have like them better if their scenes were somewhat comedy. Then Nick Frost and Simon Pegg could play them in a miniseries.And at last, Dr. Susan Calvin. I must mention again that I'm not quite satisfied with the description of her appearance and her private life, which is obviously because of the patriarchy and the white male author! Other than that, she has been my favorite character, the voice of reason, analysis and passion for robots.####################SPOILERS####################Stephen Byerley could be an advanced version of [b:I,Robot 30525004 I, Robot (Adam Link, #0.1) Eando Binder https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1465707411l/30525004.SX50.jpg 51047598]Adam Link, my sweet boy T_T
Didn't read the epilogue (nothing new there).
It was a fun read! Definitely “A Trivial Comedy for Serious People.” :)))))
I burst into laughter several times. His critiques of social classes and behaviors were evident on every page.
I really dig his writing style :)
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Didn't expect a plot twist!!
a: I believe Jack/Earnest not being found after all these years highlights (again!) what losers the aristocrats were/are and how inefficient the cops were!
b: Some lines were misogynistic, yet I can't quite figure out if it's his way of criticizing how deeply patriarchy affected women to the point that they humiliate themselves, or if it was just the normal way of speaking back then (cuz it was).
Dies ist der erste deutsche Roman, den ich auf Deutsch gelesen habe, und ich muss sagen, dass ich viel Spaß dabei hatte – nicht nur, weil ich 98 % des Textes ohne Wörterbuch verstehen konnte, sondern auch, weil mir die Geschichte selbst sehr gut gefallen hat. :)
Leider ist die Geschichte nach 51 Jahren immer noch relevant, aber ich kann mich zumindest freuen, dass es dieses Buch gibt, aus dem ich lernen kann. :)
Ruhe in Frieden, Michael Ende!
Men making women go mad, episode n!!!
Men can't be satisfied, ever. It's just never enough how pretty a woman is! Men are allowed to be ugly, and the writers don't even mention much how a man looks like, but they describe a woman from head to toe in detail and judge them based on their appearance - ALL THE FUCKING TIME - SINCE EVER!
And now cosmetic surgeries everywhere! Don't you dare even think it's all women's fault! Don't!
Oh wow we finished it!(Jeff Bridges's tone:) End of line man!While reading the first hundred pages, I talked to a cool book-reader lady about how much I dislike this book because of the misogynistic characters. She said: “By reading the books of that era of how casual misogyny was and how women could only do what was expected of them, like being the servant of the husband, you see what kind of motive men had to create a robot.”Her words struck me. I decided to keep on reading and reminded myself that:1) Humans are accustomed to their evolution. Anything else is uncomfortable to them.2) Society moves much slower than technology. Up to this very moment of 2024, our world is still patriarchal and misogynistic.The story pace was awfully slow. It dragged me like a prisoner whose ankle was tied to the ankle of a camel in a desert. The camel didn't walk much and the heat got worse every minute.I know I had been waiting for the sci-fi parts but when the story did reach them in Book 4, they were horribly long and disinteresting. Just like how water is merely a mirage in the desert.I don't think I have ever skipped such long explanations in a book. The Edison guy couldn't shut up.I know, I know, I bought the book because of the first use of the word “android”, but more importantly, Edison's and that English guy's motive hasn't changed in 138 years. Their dream is finally coming true in 2024. They would have cried in joy seeing sex robots; One of the many reasons why “Incel becoming scientist” is the extreme danger and produces Viktor Frankenstein from [b:Frankenstein 12974171 Frankenstein Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1546419388l/12974171.SY75.jpg 4836639]. Beware!And so, 4 minutes of silence for Mrs. Anderson, Hadaly, Alicia and Evelyn.P.S.: The university of Illinois printed this book on acid-free papers, which is a shame! The papers are awesome and I could draw stuff on them happily if most of them were empty!!!! (Wtf with this cover image?!)
I do not allow myself to have any opinion about the literature of this book since it's a translation. I find the translation text understandable.Now, about the story itself: Everything I've ever known about robots is summed up in this creative and wonderfully written story. Or maybe I should say that new writers, aka writers after 1921, had to expand this story and they were the ones I've read!! It's all a modern form of the amazing gothic-sci-fi story of [b:Frankenstein 12974171 Frankenstein Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1546419388l/12974171.SY75.jpg 4836639], but since I love this nihilist idea, I'd like to keep on reading :)I would love to consider [b:In Praise of Idleness and Other Essays 135742 In Praise of Idleness and Other Essays Bertrand Russell https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1172071900l/135742.SY75.jpg 1314555] as an indirect analysis for this play.R.I.P. Mr. Čapek and Sir Russell.One thing that pisses me off about 21st century is that people literally have been happily helping to fulfill the prophecy of this story, yet when it is fulfilled, they'd be like!!!Like... Bruh!!! You've only recognized it... now?! I don't believe you! I mean, western countries have had this story since... ever(?) before their eyes!!
A locomotive man in the wild wild west, now, isn't this a pure steampunk story!?! Considering the time it was written, it's so cool! I mean Benz was about the same time but in Germany! The idea is unique and the adventures would show how life was back then. Liked it a lot.
The text was quite hard to read, so, listening to the audiobook by LibriVox with the right accent and tone was quite a blessing, also, it reminded me of the English courses, felt nostalgic.
The fourth story of this list.
Well done sir. rip.
Ironisch, dass Chatgpt mir dieses Buch als die erste aufgezeichnete Geschichte über “Automaten” vorgestellt hat...At first, I disliked the story; mixing supernatural and trauma and technology together. The text structure was confusing, and the English translation didn't help much, so, I read reviews and essays to see if I quite comprehended the story. This article was very helpful.Before I could write down what I thought, I had to sleep on it. (And no, I didn't think of any sandman at my bed before going to sleep. I was mentally exhausted.)I'm not over this. I don't think I ever will. It scared the shit out of me. Luckily, I didn't know this story as a kid. I would have definitely ended up like Nathanael!UGH I am sick of incestuous relationships! Nathanael and Clara were raised in the same house and then engaged... Will this ever end?!If we ignore that part, although some reviews say that Clara represents “logic”, to me, in 2024, she does not. She thinks Nathanael's fears will go away if he tries to forget them and never talks about them. I don't think she's a good partner. On the other hand, we see how happy Nathanael is when Olimpia does not talk and does not disagree with him!!! Nathanael is not a good partner either! Everyone wants to be the conversation hog!What I concluded is:The sandman is real. He owns the eyes of children and their dreams at night. He's probably greedy. So, he works with the professor to gain access to adults' eyes through lenses he sells in broad daylight!!! If he owns all people's eyes, he owns their reality!!! People like Nathanael with unresolved trauma just fit the profile of a good victim. The sandman handpicked Nathanael because he knew that Nathanael can't think right; Nathanael's apartment went on fire and then his new apartment and new room view was exactly Olimpia's room!! raising browsOthers don't buy Coppelius' lenses aka perspectives (very wise choice of word!), and so, they are not deceived by Olimpia. More importantly, after the professor is exposed, people start to test each other, to see if their companions are real! This paragraph hit me right in the face! People get paranoid!People like Mark Zuckerberg are the sandman(/men!) of our time! But do you think we, who have not bought Meta Quest, are safe?! Media is another tool that the sandman uses! They choose what we see. They have us. Our fears only escalate with time!Hoffmann never explained what is real and what is not, letting us all ruminate about it even after 200 years. Well, I chose to believe he was real.ANDMary Shelley's Frankenstein and Hoffmann's Der Sandmann were written in the same period!!!!!!!!!????!!!???!I wanna know soooo baddddddd what they thought of each other's stories! cry in vainShould I mention that Hoffmann published [b:Nutcracker 774449 Nutcracker E.T.A. Hoffmann https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1387711623l/774449.SX50.jpg 2221897] in the same year as the sandman??? I just did. You're welcome.
Contains spoilers
If you were confused like me by Victor's characteristics and his dummy behaviors through his pov story, I recommend you read about Mary Shelley's parents, her personal life and the shitty society she was living in. You could also watch the movie Mary Shelley (2017) which shows a great deal of what I mentioned.
This was my first read.
Unfortunately, I was deceived by the media and the very bad but famous picture in 1935 which I now must say fortunately always refused to watch.I have not read Paradise Lost because of its heavy text and language. But I know its summary + the story of Prometheus. I must say I am glad that I got to read Mary's masterpiece with open eyes. The character Victor Frankenstein represents typical men around Mary: some of them intelligent, yet most of them ignorant and narcissistic. They gaslit her (+ all women), underestimated her, belittled her, and even accused her of stealing the story just because she was a “teenage” AND a “girl” AND her husband was the great poet, Percy Bysshe Shelley! They forced her to publish the story ANONYMOUSLY! Five years later her name appeared in the second edition, and she was recognized for it.
I'd also reckon a great influence of Elizabeth (I) and her mother Anne Boleyn on Mary's inspiration and the concepts of creation, love, and abandonment. It aches my heart that her real-life miseries have not actually been solved through the last 206 years; humans still have toxic societies under theocracy and patriarchy, with many men who hate women and underestimate them more than ever, counting “feminism” as a cuss. I feel ashamed of all men in history who have systematically erased women's names and contributions by gaslighting, dismissing and overlooking them and their works. It makes me nauseous to think of all those great women's works being signed under the name of a man by force! Henrietta Swan Leavitt is only one of them! I can see how men loved her book and still do and would probably cum every 2-3 pages, but they are still too jealous, too ignorant, and too arrogant to admit it publicly. They have tried, many many many times, to shove their unoriginal ideas and bad stories into the great gothic world she created. It's March 2, 2024, and there is still NO direct and complete movie adaptation of Frankenstein!
Enough said.
Mary takes the reader to various real places and describes families and society differences in detail (yes, I love realistic details). Even when the reader does not necessarily travel to an Arab country, Mary shows the true face of Islam through Safie's life so well that I could only nod YESSSSSSS! in awe. (The quote does not exist in the quote pages of GoodReads, so I added it myself, to the top of my list.) I read that page several times and admired her knowledge only more, the knowledge many women in 2024 still do not have. This book can wake up many people. Well, if they are willing to wake up!
I must mention some of my comments while reading the book:
Considering the 17th century in the story, it makes me sick to see how social conventions have constantly changed for the worse. Back then, male friendship wasn't a big deal. In 2024, guys can't express their simple feelings because they're instantly pointed out as “gay” by their very own male friend! But look how openly Victor and Henry speak their mind and feelings. No need to remind that words like “gay” and “intercourse”, which were repeatedly used in the book, have also lost their positive meaning and turned into curses! P.S.: I wish I knew which Persian poems were Henry's favorites. And which were Mary's favorites...
The different narrators and POVs make the characters more sensible and it's not like the writer is either preaching or promoting ideas. She's just showing us inside of the characters. I despised the recurring word “monster” from Victor's goddamned mouth. I call him Adam like he himself claimed, which is a fact, and not his personal opinion!! First when Victor was telling his story + how Walton described Victor's appearance, I seriously thought Adam was evil, and wanted to know so badly what the hell he had done that made Victor like this... BUT NO NO NO! The plot twist is right here. Victor believes he's the victim!!!!! MY GOSH! He has had the best childhood any child could ever have: literally zero problems. He'd never had to ask for all the good things he had in life. He was free to do whatever he wanted, which unfortunately, led him to become a self-centered crybaby. Adam speaks of his intentions and next victim(s) so obvious that a retard could understand but not Victor. He was passionate and motivated in his major, but he was narrow-minded. He never had any responsibility and so never learnt what “consequence” means. Even after all his miseries, even on his deathbed, he did not realize it was all his own fault: Victor obviously represents gods every religion has [pointing to Paradise Lost]. All of them created (an) Adam and sent him off to live without teaching him properly. And after they committed the so-called “sin”, god banished him. Both religious gods and Victor abandon their creature, more importantly their child. A perfect god would never do such horrible things to his creature and expect them not to turn into evil. Additionally, how dare god/Victor blame Adam for the sins he'd done when god/Victor condemned him and left him on his own?! This is too unholy and irresponsible of a good god!!!! (That's just one of the many reasons I believe all religions are man-made.) Children are innocent and have no idea what's going on. It's adults' responsibility to take care of them and educate them. This is the very first rule of parenting, something Victor refused to do even though his father was bright and wealthy to provide for him and some other kids, and his mother took good care of him, two things most kids his age did not have. Take Henry, his friend, whose father did not let to go to Inglostadt to study further! And later in the story, we see how hard Adam tried to educate himself, fortunately and sadly, by reading Paradise Lost.Another thing that bothers me is how Adam's appearance still counts as “hideous” in our time. He says he can only be happy if he had a female companion. And we, in 2024, can confirm that because we've seen this coming true in Shrek. I'm serious. No sarcasm. We are still judging people based on their appearance. If someone does not fit our standards, we refuse to talk to them. I say we, because now I am also including myself.
Coming to Paul Cantor's essay: It was boring, and I do not agree with most of what he said. The one thing that I agree with and very much bothered me was Victor and Elizabeth's relationship which I still cannot process. When Henry was introduced, my ultimate guess was Henry and Elizabeth getting married at some point and I had no problem with that BUT “Victor and Elizabeth” ship is beyond me: too “incest”. No other way. End of line.
Now, regarding AI, humans have taken the path Victor took. I guess you only learn from the best! which is god himself!!!! But I do believe that we must break the cycle of generational irresponsibility. I would like to refer to "Point of View" by Isaac Asimov to clarify that matter, and to "I, Robot" by Eando Binder, another great story about what could have happened if Victor had not panicked.
If we want our societies to improve, we need to start with ourselves, put the irrational biases and prejudices behind, and be better parents to our kids and better developers to our AIs, and so, better humans.
Looking back, I was captivated the whole time reading the book. The dark atmosphere was shivering! Just getting to know that Mary was a pioneer in forming the gothic genre by writing Frankenstein blew me away.
She is the mother.
She is the creator.
She is immortal.
Read from: [b:AMAZING STORIES JANUARY 1939 162559409 AMAZING STORIES JANUARY 1939 Eando; Wellman Binder https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1694902141l/162559409.SX50.jpg 173907423]An impressive emotional story.I'd like to take a moment and appreciate Mary Shelley who was the inspiration to all man-written-robotic-stories.I am blessed (and sad).R.I.P. Mary ShelleyR.I.P. Earl and Otto Binder
Update 08.June.2024: After reading [b:Tomorrow's Eve 239615 Tomorrow's Eve Auguste de Villiers de l'Isle-Adam https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1173029970l/239615.SY75.jpg 2641863]:Now Helen's story doesn't seem that imaginative and cool as before. It was a shorter and milder version of [b:Tomorrow's Eve 239615 Tomorrow's Eve Auguste de Villiers de l'Isle-Adam https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1173029970l/239615.SY75.jpg 2641863]. Still a sex robot though!Update 29.April.2024: After reading [b:R.U.R. 816443 R.U.R. (Rossum's Universal Robots) Karel Čapek https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1628105109l/816443.SY75.jpg 3065006]:Helen was made to keep a good home for the makers, but Adam Link from [b:I, Robot 30525004 I, Robot (Adam Link, #0.1) Eando Binder https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1465707411l/30525004.SX50.jpg 51047598] was like a son to his maker even with his metal body and no human flesh and skin!!First orders of female robots in our time? Sex robots.Asimov told me to read it; in the introduction of “The complete robot”.[b:Astounding Science Fiction December 1938 55002311 Astounding Science-Fiction, December 1938 John W. Campbell Jr. https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1717695092l/55002311.SX50.jpg 85784175]I'm truly astounded by this imagination! The influence of Mary Shelley is seen all over! (+ The movie Bride of Frankenstein was also made in 1935.)2024 and we're still not there!
Well, well, well, what do we have here? :)
Very pleased to get to read this book, thanks to Wes Anderson!
I wish I was familiar with Roald Dahl when I was a kid. I find all stories in this book fascinating. Even I found many new subtle things from them, let alone the kids!
- “The Swan” hit me. I never thought he would have written such a heavy story. Every kid needs to know this story before going to school!
In the short movie The Swan by Wes Anderson, the adult version of the poor kid narrates the story, which shows how traumatizing getting bullied is!
- The kid who talked to animals and The wonderful story of Henry Sugar stories point out respecting and protecting animals + social classes. The sooner children learn these topics, the better, otherwise they will learn it the hard way, when they are already in the society and have no idea how to put up with that! (like me)
An my god! How extraordinary his own life was! And what an amazing first story he had written! A piece of cake! He was born to do this!
How often have I thought of this story so far, I cannot tell.I'm adding it to my goodreads account because I don't see it as merely a manga, and I believe nor should you, if you are planning to enter this mesmerizing philosophical journey.P.S.: [b:NOiSE 624693 NOiSE Tsutomu Nihei https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1299971166l/624693.SX50.jpg 611052] is a short prequel to this story.
Edit to say: Do you have doubts to start this book? If you don't care about spoilers, you can read my short review first:
The story is well written, but as a person with limited friend circle (read 2) and poor communication skills I am offended that this book considers my life worthless and tries to say whoever being well-known and liked by the majority has a worthier life! And the author tries to cover this scam by a romance story!
Isn't this familiar to you?!
1) Black Mirror, Season 3, Episode 1: If you are liked by more people, you'll be able to communicate with high class ones, you'll be richer and can buy a house or a car and etc. so you are worthy.
2) Every natural beautiful Gen Z has a TikTok account and is loved by the majority for something (their face) they didn't even create THEMSELVES while LIP-SYNCING a song they haven't even written nor composed. They would still get richer than they are now if they sell their lifetime!!
Even if I had read this book before not-counted-as-talent Gen Z things becomes popular, I still wouldn't have liked this book. Nobody is allowed to judge how worthy my life is. I am the only person in charge who can achieve my goals and be happy.
So, NO.
